Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/14/2001 03:35 PM Senate RES

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                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                   
                    SENATE RESOURCES COMMITTEE                                                                                
                         February 14, 2001                                                                                      
                             3:35 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator John Torgerson, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Drue Pearce, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Pete Kelly                                                                                                              
Senator Robin Taylor                                                                                                            
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Rick Halford                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
OTHER MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Gas Briefing: Alyeska Pipeline Co.                                                                                              
                Mr. David Wight, President and CEO                                                                              
                Mr. Dan Hisey, Chief Operating Officer                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-12, SIDE A                                                                                                            
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  JOHN  TORGERSON  called  the  Senate  Resources  Committee                                                          
meeting to order at 3:35 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVID WIGHT,  President Alyeska  Pipeline Co, said he  wanted to                                                            
put "renewal"  in a different context  than what they usually  think                                                            
about. "Right  now we are in a right-of-way renewal  process." There                                                            
are four areas  that have to do with  people, business systems,  the                                                            
physical assets,  and renewal of the right-of-way  granting of lease                                                            
terms.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT said they have  looked closely at their staff and a lot of                                                            
them  had  been  around for  a  significant  period  of  time.  It's                                                            
important  that they consider  future retirements  and how  they are                                                            
going  to replace  the  individuals.  They  also have  some  serious                                                            
commitments  around  Sections  28  and 29.  Their  organization  has                                                            
committed to study each  and every job and have a full understanding                                                            
of the  skills  and competencies  necessary  for each  job and  have                                                            
those kinds  of definitions  for the  jobs they want  to add  to the                                                            
organization.  As  they  go  forward, they  want  to  have  training                                                            
programs, hiring programs,  and development programs that will match                                                            
up the skills  they will need in the  future with what it  will take                                                            
to run the pipeline.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT said  they had made substantial progress  under Section 29                                                            
in the last year  going from less that 4 percent to  14.5 percent on                                                            
Alaska Native  hires with a goal this  year of reaching 16  percent.                                                            
They have substantial  commitments around other programs  to develop                                                            
individuals  as well  as recruit  individuals  into  the company  in                                                            
those areas.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 460                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He said that the right-of-way  renewal is a very lengthy and complex                                                            
process. There  is renewal in three  areas: private lands  (80 miles                                                            
or  10 percent)  and  the remaining  90  percent is  almost  equally                                                            
divided  by state and  federal. They  are trying  to move all  three                                                            
categories  in a parallel process  starting about a year  and a half                                                            
ago. They  are in  the process  of filing for  right-of-way  renewal                                                            
approval in the  late first or early second quarter  and think it is                                                            
a two and a half to three  year process. An EIS is required and they                                                            
take a minimum of 24 - 27 months.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
They  believe  they  can  demonstrate  economic   viability  of  the                                                            
project, which  Mr. Dan Hisey would explain soon.  They also have to                                                            
demonstrate  compliance with the grant  and lease terms,  both state                                                            
and federal.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WIGHT said  the pipeline  is  800 miles  long  and its  primary                                                            
purpose is  to transport  oil from Prudhoe  Bay to Valdez.  There is                                                            
essentially  no  storage on  the North  Slope  or in  the  pipeline,                                                            
except for  operational purposes.  Therefore,  the pipeline  must be                                                            
operated at a  very high efficiency rate to allow  the production on                                                            
the  North Slope  to  continue. During  2000,  it operated  at  99.7                                                            
percent  reliability. "The  pipeline has  successfully carried  more                                                            
than 13 million barrels  of crude oil since it started and currently                                                            
is running  around  one million  barrels per  day… Projections  from                                                            
producers  indicate that  new fields  should keep  it at this  level                                                            
with  a slight  increase  over  the next  three  to five  years.  It                                                            
represents  nearly 20 percent of the  domestic production  and there                                                            
are six owners."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT said that there  really are six pipelines where people own                                                            
a share in  the pipeline and they  actually commercially  offer that                                                            
service for transportation of oil.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
North Slope  oil is a significant  contributor to the economic  well                                                            
being  of Alaska.  They  have  oversight  by  21 local,  state,  and                                                            
federal  regulatory   agencies.  They  have  Prince   William  Sound                                                            
Regional Advisory Council  and over 2,000 employees and contractors.                                                            
Currently, Alyeska has  900 employees and day-to-day they have 1,700                                                            
-  1,800  contractors   working  for  them  except   in  the  summer                                                            
construction time when it would be more.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Management  has a real commitment  to have an open work environment                                                             
so  that  any issues  around  the  integrity  of  the  pipeline  and                                                            
employment  can  be discussed  and  resolved.  Part  of this  is  an                                                            
employee  concerns  program, which  allows  an employee  to  discuss                                                            
pipeline  integrity,   harassment,  intimidation,  retaliation,   or                                                            
discrimination (HIRD).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WIGHT  said there  had  been  substantial  improvement  in  the                                                            
atmosphere  within Alyeska  over  the last  four to  five years  and                                                            
their last survey indicated  that 100 percent of the employees would                                                            
report any integrity issue.  "Unfortunately, less than that indicate                                                            
a willingness  to  talk about personal  employment  issues, so  they                                                            
continue to need an employee  concerns program." He hopes that it is                                                            
a bridge  to the  future when they  have an  open environment  where                                                            
people can talk about issues that need to be resolved.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 900                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Within Section  29 they  have a Building  Foundations of  Excellence                                                            
Program (BFEP), which has  50 people in it. Seventy-seven percent of                                                            
those individuals are Alaska  Native hires. Recently, they converted                                                            
about a dozen  of those individuals into full time  employment. "The                                                            
desire would  be to give  people opportunities  to look at  Alyeska,                                                            
experience Alyeska  and find competent employees to  fill our future                                                            
needs."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT  said they have  a constant 25 percent  hire of women  and                                                            
have  increased  the minority  population,  which  includes  Alaskan                                                            
Natives  to  almost  25 percent.  Within  that  25  percent,  Alaska                                                            
Natives  have gone  from  five to  almost 15  percent.  They have  a                                                            
commitment to be at 20  percent by 2004, but hope to be there before                                                            
that.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1100                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAN  HISEY, Chief Operating  Officer, said  that they start  all                                                            
meetings with a conversation  about safety to keep people focused on                                                            
their most important  value and priority of no one  getting hurt. He                                                            
said  there was  a  significant  improvement  in the  incident  rate                                                            
between 1992  and 1995, but  it plateaued  in the years after  that.                                                            
They need to  significantly advance  their safety performance  their                                                            
goal is to halve the rates.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HISEY said  that the TAPS is one of the largest  systems and the                                                            
largest privately  funded project ever built in the  world. It's 800                                                            
miles  long and 4  feet in  diameter and  is about  400 miles  above                                                            
ground  and  about  400 miles  below  ground,  crosses  three  major                                                            
mountain ranges,  34 rivers and streams  and over 800 minor  rivers.                                                            
During the  construction years, they  had a total construction  work                                                            
force  of over  70,000 people.  The  cost to  build it  was over  $8                                                            
billion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The TAPS has 11  pump stations that were built during  construction.                                                            
Currently, they are operating  seven of them; four were shut down in                                                            
1996 and  1997 when they  dropped below throughputs  of 1.4  million                                                            
barrels a day.  A pump station is designed to boost  the pressure of                                                            
the oil to move  it down the line and over the mountain  ranges from                                                            
Prudhoe to Valdez  and is manned by 10 - 25 full-time  people around                                                            
the  clock,  365   days  per  year.  Each  pump  station   similarly                                                            
configured has three 18,000-horsepower  jet engines that operate the                                                            
pumps.  Those  can  be run  in  a  multitude  of  configurations  to                                                            
accommodate the throughput (now, 1.0 million barrels per day).                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HISEY  explained that  Alyeska's  major  responsibility  is  to                                                            
simply  operate  and  maintain  the asset.  Of  their  $500  million                                                            
budget,  they   spend  approximately   $200  -  $250  per   year  on                                                            
maintenance. Their 2001  maintenance budget baseline is $100 million                                                            
and they have another $100-plus  million in investment projects of a                                                            
one-time nature.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Properly  maintained,  the pipeline  can be  operated indefinitely.                                                             
They have  programs and routines  in place  to inspect, monitor  and                                                            
test, do preventative  maintenance,  and do repairs and maintenance                                                             
as necessary to keep it operational.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. HISEY  said the  pipeline has  177 48-inch  mainline valves.  In                                                            
1997 they  began a project  to physically  test the capacity  of all                                                            
the valves  in case  they needed  to block the  flow. They  replaced                                                            
three of  those valves for  $5 million - $6  million a piece.   That                                                            
routine maintenance is part of their ongoing program.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Alyeska's pigging  program is the most aggressive  and sophisticated                                                            
pipeline inspection  pigging program  of any pipeline in  the world.                                                            
They actually  developed the technology that is now  used around the                                                            
world for "smart  pigs" which are  computerized. They use  two kinds                                                            
of  pigs to  inspect  for corrosion.  One  is an  ultrasonic  device                                                            
developed  by NKK  in  Japan for  Alyeska  and the  other  one is  a                                                            
magnetic flux leakage pig.  Both are capable of detecting even minor                                                            
corrosion long  before it would pose any threat to  the integrity of                                                            
the line. Alyeska  has never experience  a main line corrosion  leak                                                            
in its entire operation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HISEY  explained  that Alyeska  uses other  types of  inspection                                                            
pigs to monitor  for curvature of a line should they  get settlement                                                            
or displacement  in the buried sections.  They also have  a pig that                                                            
can electronically  measure for any deformation, dents  or bends the                                                            
line might  experience. All the pigs  are run on a routine  program,                                                            
which is the most rigorous  and most frequent pigging program of any                                                            
pipeline in  the world. They run cleaning  pigs on an almost  weekly                                                            
basis  and those  remove wax  and sediments  and  any deposition  in                                                            
order to maintain flow efficiency.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Their inspection  program costs $2 million per year.  A large amount                                                            
of  the  money goes  to  inspect  for  corrosion.  "Alyeska  has  an                                                            
extensive overall corrosion  inspection program. Their main defenses                                                            
are sophisticated  coatings and an  electro-chemical process  that's                                                            
used to  protect  steel in corrosive  environments.  They  currently                                                            
spend approximately  $20 - $40 million  per year on their  corrosion                                                            
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The purpose  of the Valdez Terminal  is to measure, store,  and load                                                            
oil onto tankers.  The marine terminal covers almost  1,000 acres of                                                            
property  with 18  crude oil  storage tanks  of  .5 million  barrels                                                            
capacity  each for  a total  of 9 million  barrels.  There are  four                                                            
tanker-loading  berths, two of which are equipped  with tanker vapor                                                            
controls.  The  marine terminal  contains  the  automated  operation                                                            
control center so they  can operate the entire pipeline from Valdez.                                                            
Another primary  function of  the marine terminal  is to remove  the                                                            
ballast  water from  the tankers  as they  arrive and  treat it  for                                                            
hydrocarbons  and impurities.  They use the  most stringent  ballast                                                            
water treatment  permit in the world  for the performance  criteria.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The marine  terminal operates  its own  electrical power  generation                                                            
and is capable of producing  37.5 megawatts, enough power for a city                                                            
of 25,000 people. It employs  about 500 people with over 1,000 going                                                            
through the gate during the peak construction summer season.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The Tanker  Vapor  Control System  was  installed in  1997 and  this                                                            
captures  the hydrocarbon  vapors that  are emitted  as tankers  are                                                            
loaded.  Last year they  loaded 438  tankers and  403 of those  were                                                            
loaded utilizing  vapor controls.  They have four berths  and two of                                                            
those are  equipped with  vapor controls.  Since 1997 they  estimate                                                            
they have  recovered and  captured over 90,000  tons of hydrocarbon                                                             
emissions.  They use the vapors to  generate power in a power  plant                                                            
and also use  them to provide blanket  gas to the crude oil  storage                                                            
tanks to keep an inert atmosphere.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He said their goal with  the vapor control berths is to maintain the                                                            
liabilities in  the 100 percent range and they have  a 10-year turn-                                                            
around  cycle  for major  rebuilds  to  the berths.  Berth  work  is                                                            
running $20  - $30 million per year  - basically rebuilding  all the                                                            
piping  systems,  rebuilding  the  vapor  recovery  arms,  replacing                                                            
controls  valves, and  replacing ballast  water piping,  as well  as                                                            
some significant electrical and hydraulic work.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. HISEY explained how  the tanker arms worked and why they have to                                                            
maintain  electrical isolation  to avoid getting  a current  between                                                            
the  tanker and  the berth.  That is  done two  ways -  either  by a                                                            
ground having a continuous electrical current or by isolation.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He  said that  an  error  was made  recently  during  a maintenance                                                             
operation whereby they  bypass the isolation flange with a grounding                                                            
strap and created  a spark. They are not satisfied  with any kind of                                                            
ignition   source   around   the   crude    oil.   After   extensive                                                            
investigation,   they  uncovered  the  cause  and  made   corrective                                                            
actions. Another  incident happened  in October when the  wrong size                                                            
valve (too  small) was  installed  and when the  system started  up,                                                            
there was  severe cavitation,  which caused  significant  vibration.                                                            
They shut  the berth down  and replaced the  valves and figured  out                                                            
how they made the mistake.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The Fire  Suppression  System  is in the  crude  oil storage  tanks,                                                            
which  are  500,000 barrels  each.  Because  of  the snow  loads  in                                                            
Valdez,  they have a  fixed roof so  there is a  vapor space  in the                                                            
tank.  Not  only  do they  have  vapor  controls  to  eliminate  the                                                            
potential for  a hazardous atmosphere, they have a  redundant system                                                            
should a fire break out  in one of the tanks. They have a subsurface                                                            
fire foam injection system  called spider piping which, in the event                                                            
of a fire, would  inject 5,000 gallons per minute  of fire foam that                                                            
would float  to the surface  and extinguish  the fire. Fortunately,                                                             
they never had to use those.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
They discovered  late in  1999 that the drop  out of sediments  from                                                            
the crude oil streams had  accumulated above the level of the spider                                                            
pipings   and  they   were  able   to  inspect   and  identify   the                                                            
accumulations   in   all  the   tanks   through   some  operational                                                             
modifications  and installation of  equipment that will agitate  the                                                            
crude  oil and  move the  sediments bringing  the  system back  into                                                            
operating  condition.   Another  system  tested  the  functionality                                                             
annually.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
In Valdez,  they  are proud  of their  Ship Escort  Response  Vessel                                                            
System  (SERVS). Alyeska  operates  the largest  oil spill  response                                                            
organization  in the  world and  has the largest  conglomeration  of                                                            
spill prevention  and response equipment anywhere.  The process they                                                            
use is to escort  all laden tankers from the terminal  70 miles into                                                            
the Gulf of Alaska with  2 SERVS vessels. The vessels can assist the                                                            
tanker  in case  of an  emergency;  they are  able  to redirect  the                                                            
tanker and  bring it under control  and steer it. They also  operate                                                            
initial response equipment.  However, prevention is the key and most                                                            
of their focus  is on eliminating the potential for  a spill to ever                                                            
occur. The SERVS operation  in Valdez employs about 150 people. Last                                                            
year  they did  34 major  oil spill  drills and  training  exercises                                                            
along with another 60 exercises on the pipeline, itself.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He said that SERVS has  five new tugs: two enhanced tractor tugs and                                                            
three prevention  response tugs. All of them are 10,000  horsepower,                                                            
world-class ships. They  believe this fleet provides them the safest                                                            
transit and response capability  of any oil transportation system in                                                            
the world. They have invested  $75 million to bring the equipment up                                                            
to that level of technology.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Their long-term  strategy involves  using one contractor  to provide                                                            
this service, which is  Crowley Maritime, and they have been able to                                                            
reduce costs  by using state-of-the  art equipment and multipurpose                                                             
vessels which  are capable of docking, escorting,  and responding as                                                            
the need might be.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
In 1997,  their annual  operating  costs were $498  million and  the                                                            
capital   expenditures   were   $61   million.   They   have   spent                                                            
significantly more last year and more this year.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HISEY  said  their  priority  is  to  operate  in  a  safe  and                                                            
environmentally  sound  manner  and  they  are  very  successful  at                                                            
maintaining  a high operations reliability.  They are involved  with                                                            
strategic  reconfiguration,  which  is  an  effort  to look  at  the                                                            
ultimate configuration  of the pipeline,  recognizing it's  25 years                                                            
old. They are  looking at replacing  the entire control system  with                                                            
new  state-of-the-art  equipment  and  what  configuration  of  pump                                                            
stations  and  pumps is  most  efficient  to  operate at  1  million                                                            
barrels per  day (mbpd) as opposed  to the peak of 2 mbpd.  They are                                                            
looking at  integrating all their  control and business systems  and                                                            
positioning  themselves  for another  30 years  of  operating in  an                                                            
efficient  manner. They  are also  planning on removing  one  of the                                                            
shutdown pump stations  (number 2), which was shutdown in 1996. That                                                            
will be a model on how to remove the assets on TAPS.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
They also  have an initiative  to substantially  improve and  change                                                            
the way  they do  business through  streamlining  and improving  the                                                            
management systems.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2100                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WIGHT  said  they feel  they  can  continue  to  improve  their                                                            
business systems,  which will change  the role of the regulator  and                                                            
enhance their ability to  see how Alyeska goes about their business.                                                            
This is a very critical step.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
In  summary, he  said  he has  never  seen this  level  of care  and                                                            
involvement  around the  safety and  integrity of  the pipeline  and                                                            
concern about  protection of the environment that  goes on on a day-                                                            
to-day basis.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT  related that he  looked at some  statistics once  and was                                                            
horrified  to  see that  hundreds  of  spills  had occurred  on  the                                                            
Alyeska Pipeline.  The operation  he is familiar  with has  very few                                                            
spills, if any. "Most people  in the world don't measure spills like                                                            
Alyeska does. The fact  is that Alyeska had essentially no spills by                                                            
most peoples' standards.  They measure spills in terms of teaspoons,                                                            
cups, and things of this nature and they report all of those."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR asked if  they send the mixed up sludge from the fire                                                            
system to a California refinery.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WIGHT   answered  that  they   discovered  in  1996   when  the                                                            
temperature of  the Inlet stream dropped below 77  degrees, they had                                                            
an  exponential  increase  in  wax precipitation   fall out.  So  99                                                            
percent  of the  solids that  were  moved were  actually  paraffins,                                                            
which are a saleable product.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR  said he didn't realize  we already had 146  miles of                                                            
10-inch pipeline  built. He asked  what the ownership relationships                                                             
were of  the Gupco joint  venture with the  government of Egypt.  He                                                            
asked what Egypt was getting from their oil.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT explained  that Gupco was  a joint venture operation  - 50                                                            
percent  AMOCO and  50 percent  Egyptian government.  "We had  4,130                                                            
employees,  70 of whom were  expatriates who  worked for AMOCO.  The                                                            
remainder was  employees of the Egyptian General Petroleum  Company.                                                            
It's  what you  and I would  call  a production  sharing  agreement.                                                            
Actually, AMOCO ran the  operation, made the capital investment, and                                                            
we recovered  the  capital  investment through  cost  of oil  margin                                                            
associated  with that. At  the time I was  there, we were  producing                                                            
about 400…"                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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MR. WIGHT continued, "The  initial stand for Gulf was Suez Petroleum                                                            
Company. It  was all located in the  Gulf of Suez close to  where it                                                            
meets  the  Red Sea  and  it  was all  off-shore  production  on  18                                                            
different fields."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PEARCE   asked  what  was   his  estimated  cost   for  the                                                            
reauthorization.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT answered:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     We  think  that  the  process   alone,  in  terms  of  the                                                                 
     environmental  impact  statement (EIS),  work, the people                                                                  
     and the  period of time that  transcends about four  and a                                                                 
     half  years is in  the range  of $30 -  $35 million.  That                                                                 
     would  not include  any  type of  compliance  issues  that                                                                 
     might come out of that.  Although we feel, and have gotten                                                                 
     some pretty  strong advice, both  from the regulators  and                                                                 
     independent  valuators  that we are in  compliance, we  do                                                                 
     think there  will be some work requested of us  that we'll                                                                 
     have to  do to assure that compliance  will remain in  the                                                                 
     future.  That's  the work  effort  around  satisfying  the                                                                 
     environmental  side  and  the compliance  review,  but  it                                                                 
     wouldn't  include any work that  might be necessitated  by                                                                 
     the outcomes of those reviews.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PEARCE  asked why  they  have to  have an  EIS  and is  the                                                            
question continued impacts since the pipeline is already there.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT answered  that to his knowledge,  "This is the  first time                                                            
an  existing facility  that  is asking  to  continue  to operate  is                                                            
required  to do  an EIS.  That was a  determination  at the  federal                                                            
administrative level."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Alyeska and  the owners talked about  it a lot and felt that,  while                                                            
they would  prefer not to do it, if  they don't do it and  get three                                                            
years down the  road having completed the requirements  of grant and                                                            
lease  and are  ready  to get  renewed  and  have a  lawsuit  around                                                            
environmental  issues, they might be three years behind  in terms of                                                            
having  the answers  to  those. He  said they  had  already done  an                                                            
environmental  report,  themselves, to  prepare for  an EIS and  can                                                            
satisfy the  environmental requirements.  He added that it  is about                                                            
an $8 million process and a minimum of 24 - 27 months.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE asked if  the study was looking at cumulative impacts                                                            
or what would happen if there weren't a reauthorization.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT replied  that it would be a full-blown EIS  looking at all                                                            
the aspects of  the impact on the environment throughout  the length                                                            
of the pipeline  and the Valdez Terminal. They are  currently in the                                                            
process of negotiating  the full details as if they  were building a                                                            
new facility.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2190                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN  said on  page 5, under work  force diversity,  that                                                            
women had  gone up one percent  in the work  force in the  last four                                                            
years  and the other  groups  had gone up  10 percent.  "There  is a                                                            
steady incline, but for women it took a dip."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
She asked  him to comment  on that  and to give  the percentages  of                                                            
employees  in numbers.  She  asked  if he  had similar  numbers  for                                                            
contracting  they  do  with  Alaskan  businesses  versus  non-Alaska                                                            
businesses  or contractors.  She also wanted  to know the number  of                                                            
employees that are Alaska hire versus non-Alaska hire.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT  answered  that they  have worked  very  hard to  maintain                                                            
their female population  while at the same time strongly  increasing                                                            
the Alaska  Native  hires. They  have not  given the  same level  of                                                            
emphasis to the  other minorities and women. As part  of the process                                                            
of going into the future,  they are going to redouble their focus in                                                            
that area.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He couldn't  answer the question of  overall state demographics  and                                                            
how to compare them. "Obviously,  the female population number would                                                            
not be close demographically,  so there's a substantial  opportunity                                                            
for improvement there."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Their  goal, MR.  WIGHT  said, is  to  go from  26.5  percent to  31                                                            
percent  of  women in  2001.  He would  get  the  specific  employee                                                            
numbers for Senator  Lincoln, but he did not have  them with him. He                                                            
noted that  they also track  statistics by  positions, because  it's                                                            
important  for them  to know that  they are  making promotional  and                                                            
managerial opportunities available to them.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT  said,  "Alaska hires  versus  non-Alaska hires  - All  of                                                            
Alyeska's  employees,   save  one,  myself,  are  direct  hires  and                                                            
therefore, they are Alaskans."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
In 1997,  they decided Alyeska  should be  more of an Alaskan  based                                                            
business and have substantially  reduced secondis out of the owners.                                                            
They  have direct  hires  and try  and  recruit first  from  Alaska.                                                            
Occasionally,  they have to go outside to get technology  and skills                                                            
they want.  The people  move here  and become  Alaskans. He  did not                                                            
have statistics  with him on Alaskan businesses and  would get those                                                            
for them. Alyeska  focuses substantially  around Alaskan  businesses                                                            
and Alaskan Native Corporations and their subsidiaries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LINCOLN asked  for clarification  of their  goals on  slide                                                            
five.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WIGHT  responded that  2001  goals  are  31 percent  women,  20                                                            
percent   minorities.   "We  are   way  above   our  commitment   on                                                            
minorities…. Our goal is  to actually move up another two percent on                                                            
minorities to about 26.5 percent."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1900                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON asked  how many years would the new permit get an                                                            
extension for.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT answered  they would like  to have a 30-year extension  on                                                            
the  right-of-way,  which  would be  consistent  with  the  original                                                            
grants  and  leases  that  were  obtained.  Currently,  federal  law                                                            
provides for administrative  approval if requirements are satisfied.                                                            
State law provides for a 10-year extension at this point.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  TORGERSON  asked  if  any  of  that  took  legislative  or                                                            
congressional approval or was it all regulatory.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT answered  the extension  is administrative both  state and                                                            
federal;  if you go  beyond 10-years  at the state  level, it  would                                                            
take legislative action.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  TORGERSON asked  if they were working  with villages  that                                                            
are close to their existing gas line.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT said  he is not familiar with any requests  for gas supply                                                            
along it.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HISEY added  that he is not aware  of any requests from  them to                                                            
connect to the gas line.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON said, "There's one coming."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WIGHT  mentioned  that  he  is  having  discussions   with  the                                                            
University  Arctic Research Facility  on that subject. They  are one                                                            
to two miles away from the gas pipeline.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON  asked what kind of complications might  there be with                                                            
the  right-of-way  renewals   for  separate  entities  in  a  shared                                                            
corridor.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT replied that  issue is not generally in his purview. A gas                                                            
pipeline  that is properly  designed  could be a  good neighbor.  As                                                            
decisions are  made both commercially and legislatively,  he thought                                                            
Alyeska would  be in discussions involving  business opportunities.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON  said he was interested in business  opportunities and                                                            
it seemed  to him, if Alyeska  has to go  through a full-blown  EIS,                                                            
one of the  considerations they would  have to give some  thought to                                                            
is what happens if they do have a shared corridor.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT  replied that the  scope would not  include that.  The EIS                                                            
would be just for the pipeline.  A series of studies will have to be                                                            
done. One would have to  be about the interactions of the two. Since                                                            
their's is the  existing pipeline and its around renewal,  they have                                                            
to look  at the impacts from  their pipeline  and not the other.  He                                                            
reiterated that  having an EIS will give some assurance  that things                                                            
are being done properly.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON  asked  what  Alyeska is  doing  with  ballast  water                                                            
treatment and exotic species and things like that.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HISEY answered  that some work was being done  by Prince William                                                            
Sound  RCAC on non-indigenous  species  and some  studies are  being                                                            
done by  the shipping  companies.  Alyeska is not  involved in  that                                                            
aspect of  it right  now. It is  a marine shipping  issue. With  the                                                            
advent of  the tankers coming  on line in the  next 1 - 10  years, a                                                            
lot of the  tankers will be using  segregated ballast (ballast  that                                                            
has not been commingled with crude oil).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PEARCE asked  if the new  tankers were  being built  to fit                                                            
their berths or would they have to reconfigure.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. HISEY  answered that they  do not have  any plans for any  major                                                            
reworking of the berths.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN  said that  another company  had been approached  by                                                            
Stevens Village about a  feeder line going off the gas line to them.                                                            
She asked  how feasible  that would  be if the  village is 30  miles                                                            
away from the pipeline.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT answered that  each one would require an individual review                                                            
of things like cost, access,  terrain, volume and volume capacity of                                                            
their pipeline  and viability  of taking gas  off that in excess  of                                                            
any they need.  They would need to  consider whether there  would be                                                            
the ability  to increase the capacity  of that line. He realized  in                                                            
talks  with the  University that  they would  have to  find out  the                                                            
legal and regulatory requirements.  "The answer is that it's unknown                                                            
for each one. The smaller  the volume, the greater the distance, and                                                            
what is in between  are very significant factors in  the cost to get                                                            
there."  The  University  is  close  and  there  are  roads,  so  it                                                            
shouldn't be a major issue,  but 30 miles depending on what you have                                                            
to go through and the volume could be very significant.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LINCOLN asked  if they  had thought  of supplying  villages                                                            
that are off that corridor, like Yukon Delta and Kuskokwim.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT replied that  he had only that one conversation and didn't                                                            
know of  any other significant  conversations  that had taken  place                                                            
within Alyeska.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  TAYLOR asked how  long it  takes for a  person to be  hired                                                            
from "outside" to become an Alaskan resident.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WIGHT answered  that he didn't know and that he  is a cheechako.                                                            
Their goal  is to be Alaskan based;  they advertise and try  to hire                                                            
here. Sometimes  they have to go outside  to get the expertise  they                                                            
are looking  for. The jobs are here  in Alaska and they get  paid on                                                            
an Alaskan base. It's not a temporary assignment for them.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR  asked if they would  use the recent national  census                                                            
statistics when they come  out to look further at the ethnic quotas.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WIGHT  said  he  feels  that  people   are  one  of  his  prime                                                            
responsibilities  and he should know  the demographics of  the place                                                            
he lives and  works in. He felt uncomfortable  that he doesn't  have                                                            
that information right now, but he would get it.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PEARCE noted  that  the original  Pipeline  Act required  a                                                            
certain percentage of Native hire.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  TAYLOR said  he knew  that, but  he wanted  to know if  the                                                            
percentage would be adjusted according to reality or politics.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  TORGERSON noted  that he wanted  to see the demographics,                                                             
too, since it  had changed a lot over 10-years. He  thanked everyone                                                            
for joining them and adjourned the meeting at 4:50 p.m.                                                                         

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